River Tripping Solo Canoes. Only rapid???
However, if you want versatility, you may want to consider spending the time learning how to competently solo a bigger/longer canoe. Eckilson…how big of a load and what kind of water do you generally do? Can anyone offer some insight into the difference in performance of these two boats, particularly while loaded to +/- 300 lbs. Realistically, though, I’ve been stalking every classified for six plus months and the only things close that have come up were one Argosy that was beat to hell, one Rendezvous and a Baboosic. River tripping canoes are usually lighter than most solo canoes. This does mean that you really do need to find the right boat for you, as it is harder to solo a bigger model. I know that there will be penance to pay across those 30 miles in most any river oriented hull, but if reduced wind shear is the most substantial advantage the Phoenix has over the Supernova, I think I’d rather have a little extra margin of error through the rough stuff.
FWIW, I’m using an Old Town Kennebec for this sort of trip now, so either should feel pretty darn sporty. 15 feet.
Too be honest, that is about as much as I want to do in a loaded tripping canoe, and my Yellowstone/Wildfire were fine. This canoe is specially made for river tripping.
The Raven was designed for multiweek river trips. I’m stuck between these two myself, and have no realistic hope of being able to check either out in person. I go 230, so it is quite a load. Solo River Tripping Canoe Recommendation.
They are comparable in price, yet I’m not experienced with the materials (Tuffstuff and IXP layup). If money weren’t a factor I’d probably own them all.
Might have been better with a full camping load. Great info!
First is the loaded boat. This was the Moose River in ME and it has a little bit of everything - lakes, flatwater river and a couple of easy rapids. I’m posting to demonstrate what the Phoenix is capable of. (And, from what I have gathered from my research, you nor Northstar seem inclined to misrepresent your product just to move a boat.) That looks like a fun run - let us know how you make out. My fleet is mostly lake trippers and a Royalex tandem Prospector, so before pulling the trigger based on specs and advertising, I’d like to get some first hand advice. Shot on location at the University of Hard Knocks.First the basics you need a boat then you need to get in the boat then move the boat with the paddle. You can see the difference in freeboard here - Jeff in a RX Yellowstone (forground), TommyC1 in a composite Magic (middle), and Riverstrider in his red SRT: No big rapids on this trip, but a couple of decent portages, most of which were cartable except Raquette Falls which was not. It’s a 15’ boat, definitively has more freeboard, but is still relatively narrow. Time to get a boat ordered! I think back on my trips, and I am just as likely to be carrying my boat as running rapids in it, so weight is definitely an issue. Not light 65 lbs. Not to muddy the waters, but have you considered the Swift Shearwater?
Here’s a few shots from an 18 day solo trip on the Thoa River in the Northwest Territories that I took last July.
Whether you have decided to paddle through a wild area or just stick to the nearby rivers, do not forget that your canoe has to be durable in order for you to stay safe and dry. I really appreciate the help and information. Wilderness Tripping.
I paddled an IXP in lots of class IIs with me (210lb) and about 140lbs of gear.
Probably two of each so as to have a pretty one and one to really put to work. They are comparable in price, yet I’m not experienced with the materials (Tuffstuff and IXP layup). No doubt if a lightly used Raven or SRT came up within a reasonable distance I’d be all over it.
Maybe they are not available where you are. I am leaning back towards the Phoenix and will stick with my Kennebec on the bigger water trips until she gives up the ghost. I’d think twice about class III, and I don’t think I would feel any different about it in a Supernova. I had it and the Argosy and there was no comparison… The Argo has a nasty hull cross section for real whitewater and very slim stems. Together, these features provide the perfect balance of stability and agility. High volume wilderness river tripper. One of the trips I’m going to do is the Chattahoochee River…it’s rated at class ii/iii from Helen all the way to Atlanta. Some complain its got too fine a stem but thats not been a problem for me in up to class 3.
With Lake Lanier in between. I’m heading on a walkabout to Canada and Alaska with my mut. I’ve looked at several canoes and narrowed it down to 2, the Nova Craft Supernova and the Northstar Phoenix IXP. The main sell on the supernova, for me, is the extra freeboard. Thanks in advance.
It was nowhere near as impressive as most of the online fodder would have one believe, though he runs much more aggressively than I do.
If money was no object and I had room for another boat (neither of which is the case), and I was looking for a dedicated tripping boat I think I would go with the SRT. We did the Upper Connecticut River this spring at a great level - lots of quickwater/class I/easy class II. Yessir. Eckilson…how big of a load and what kind of water do you generally do?
Loon_Watcher. At 15 inches deep it is one big deep boat. I may pick up one of the long double blades paddles to help across the lakes (or maybe carry some straws to help suck it up). In those boats I would do class II with no hesitation. I’m with Northstar and very partial to the Phoenix, having paddled Wildfires and Yellowstone Solos a lot in the past. Being a shorty I think I’ll appreciate the reduced width more than what I ultimately think will be a marginal difference in whitewater capability.
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Probably shoulda pulled the trigger on the Merrimac. Solo paddling is an exciting hobby and that is why it is very important to have a canoe of good quality.
I saw a great video posted on the YouTube by a fellow called Gunnelgrabber who documented a trip down the Bloodvein River in a Supernova. The distinguishable feature of this type of canoe is the bottom of this canoe is flat. Really want to be able to run as many of the rapids as practicable. But between the higher price and cost to have it shipped, it puts them far enough ahead of the others to take them out of the running. It’s a really nice solo tripping boat.
I don’t do that sort of trip very often. Here is Riverstrider in his: This was Long Lake to Saranack Village in the Adirondacks - lakes, easy rivers.
Otherwise, their prospector 14 would be amongst the top of the list. If you are a smaller paddler you may want to give the Supernova a pass.
Not the best picture but…. For me, if the Supernova is markedly better in whitewater and even close on the flats, it would be my choice, whereas if the Phoenix is pretty close in the rough stuff and way better on the flats, she’d be my daisy. This is typical - two big bags, a cooler full of food (most guys fill it with beer, but I really hate freeze dried food) and my Dutch Oven. I considered the Argosy, as there are a couple Wenonah dealers around, but I don’t care for the tumble home design and it doesn’t seem well regarded in very much whitewater.
Solo-canoeing is a great pastime, especially if you like paddling more than your friends. @AL_canoeguy said: Other two pictures are rapids that were fun in the Phoenix. Edit: Between the cost of the boats and delivery, the SRT and Swifts put me at least the cost of a spray deck over these two options.